Saturday 26 August 2023

 


SUMMARY 


Keep this in mind

CONCEPT

Karate is based on the Ryukyu Bo in its original form - this can be seen in the Okinawan GOJU systems

In Japan the Karate development in Dojo was influenced by Kendo - this can be seen in the Japanese SHOTO systems


Kihon Ippon Kumite - neutral stance, concepts based on Iaido

Jiyu Ippon Kumite - fighting stance, concepts based on Kenjutsu



This week we are going back to the Mat to cover Jujutsu and Judo

JUDO in Japanese Dojo was also influenced by Kendo

AIKIDO directly has JO and BOKKEN in it's practice, and this can be seen in how the Projections work


This will all be referred to and covered over coming sessions


The link from Jap-Kob, specifically KENJUTSU into the JUJUTSU

The NINJATO sword into the TAIJUTSU

Jap-Kob SWORD influence on KARATE


BO and TONFA on original KARATE

KRABI swords and staff on MUAY THAI/BORAN


KALI double sticks and double knife on KEMPO

BART CHARM DAO swords on WING CHUN


Princess Bride Sword fight

 

“Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.”

(the line is actually used later in the film, not during this scene)


In the scene, while dueling to the death, at the same time showing overwhelming sportsmanship, Inigo Montoya and the Man-In-Black (Westley) casually (and humorously) discuss complex fencing tactics



Inigo Montoya: You are using Bonetti’s Defense against me, ah?

Man in Black: I thought it fitting considering the rocky terrain.

Inigo: Naturally, you must suspect me to attack with Capa Ferro?

Man in Black: Naturally, but I find that Thibault cancels out Capa Ferro. Don’t you?

Inigo: Unless the enemy has studied his Agrippa… which I have.




The quotation begins with Inigo, pushing Wesley (The Man in Black) back in retreat with his consistent attacks

“Bonetti’s Defense” refers to the Italian swordmaster Rocco Bonetti, who established a “School of Arms” in London in 1576

By cautiously stepping back and relying on defense, it helps to ensure that he doesn’t make a fatal blunder by attacking from an uneven, unpredictable surface ie. “rocky terrain”



Inigo’s second question to Wesley is, “…You must suspect me to attack with Capa Ferro?”

In this instance, “Capa (Capo) Ferro” is a term given to the powerful attack known as “The Lunge,” after Italian swordmaster, Ridolfo Capo Ferro, who taught a linear style of fencing



Wesley’s retort was of, “…but I find that Thibault cancels out Capa Ferro. Don’t you?”

This refers to Gérard (Girard) Thibault d’Anvers (1574-1627), a Dutch fencing master and author of the rapier manual, Academie de l’Espée (1630)

Thibault utilized both logic and geometry to aid in his swordfighting defense

Therefore, Wesley felt that his Thibault studies in using such tactics as, for example, “higher ground” and angulation on attack, gave him added measure when defending against linear thrusts such as “The Lunge.”



To this, Inigo concludes, “Unless the enemy has studied his Agrippa…”

– a term named after Italian short sword master, Camillo Agrippa who wrote, Treatise on the Science of Arms with Philosophical Dialogue (1553)

Historically, Agrippa simplified fencing techniques, i.e. Shortened Marozzo’s eleven guards, to a “fundamental four”, emphasizing defensive tactics, and logic above techniques that he deemed over-stylized

since he was a master of the short sword, he would be quite knowledgeable in “closing distance” - because in closer proximity, the short sword rules



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Though we have talked about this in Class over the years, everyone has seen the film, and everyone knows the clip, we never had a whole thread for this


Posts from 2013 - ten years ago:


in April

shirotoratiger.proboards.com/thread/1064/april-24


end of December

shirotoratiger.proboards.com/thread/1162/dec-18


Thread for Spanish Sword

shirotoratiger.proboards.com/thread/1086


Thread for European Sword

shirotoratiger.proboards.com/thread/1067/european-sword



There is some obvious repetition, though this was the year we did the most discussion and reference



the Princess Bride sword fight clip

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-66KBi_NM0


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Though it sounds technical to the layman it is like a pair of kickboxers having this conversation:


Inigo Montoya: You are using Kenpo Blocking against me, ah?

Man in Black: I thought it fitting considering the rocky terrain.

Inigo: Naturally, you must suspect me to attack with Muay Thai?

Man in Black: Naturally, but I find that Savate cancels out Muay Thai. Don’t you?

Inigo: Unless the enemy has studied his Karate… which I have.


makes the same amount of sense


Keeping in mind, the point of sword fencing is to hit your opponent - the point of movie fencing is to hit your "opponent" sword - it isn't a real sword fight



 

Komorebi

Komorebi 木漏れ日 (pronounced kō-mō-leh-bē)


Literally, “sunlight leaking through trees,” this word describes the beauty and wonder of rays of light dappling through overhead leaves, casting dancing shadows on the forest floor


On Grass evenings, especially late in the Summer, when we are on the Circle, we see the red sunset over the trees, as twilight sets in

On nights when we then go to the big field, we have a sky of clouds, stars and the moon - on some nights we have had a cloudless sky and a big full moon lighting the field


Joker has taken and shared photos on these nights, and we have made commentary on the posts about Sunset Warriors and Iga moonlit nights


When we have used the "Canopy", usually on a rainy day, and often on a rainy night, it would by nature be cloudy and dull


However when we go under the canopy when there is sun outside, we get the chance to experience Komorebi


When I was in Japan, we did a lot of outdoor training, both in fields and in the forest


Shinden Fudo Ryu is particular good for this

the battlefield conditions of Kukishinde

and of course Togakure, not only Taijutsu and Biken, but the Onshinjutsu


Experiencing Komorebi in the Japanese forest is a powerful experience, the same as watching the sunset on the mountians


I have talked before about I have been fortunate to train and see the sunrise in the Japanese mountain facing East over the Pacific, and to train and see the sunset on the California beach, facing West over the Pacific


When we spend time under the Canopy when it is sunny, depending both on the time of day and the time of year, we can experience Komorebi


We will take the time to do a couple of Gata under the Canopy in Komorebi when the chance presents



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Last night at Grass we covered KNIFE which of course has some focus on Angle 5 the Stab and it's defence

we made a reference to Notting Hill Carnival happening at the same time and the likelihood of people being stabbed there

News reports in today show 8 people were stabbed


Link to the Knife post article

shirotoratiger.proboards.com/thread/1830/knife-fighting-drilling-defence


ongoing, relevant, and as important as ever


this passage from the Knife post:


the news is full of reports in recent years of someone being stabbed. Not slashed - not Angle 1 or 2, not Angle 3 or 4 - but a STAB which is ANGLE 5 - a stab to the body

This tells us that this is the most likely knife attack, the one that keeps happening, and the one that the victims are not able to defend against - the ANGLE FIVE STAB TO THE BODY

Again, the Police are wearing stab proof vests - they are not wearing neck protection from Angle 1 and Angle 2 slashes - they are wearing a vest to specifically protect them from the Angle 5 stab to the body






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With the four evenings that we have counted as the Summer Camp, any further Grass evenings we do would be Autumn Season

The sun goes down earlier so most of the session sends up being dark

It gets colder so we need the hoodies, hats, and later the gloves

And we are not able to go the the ground


Once the clocks go back, that puts us into Winter Season where the nights are too dark for outdoor training


Which does not mean we can't do day sessions

Whether we do this year remains to be planned, but the option is there


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Last night we discussed the Rear Uppercut during the boxing sets


This thread about Boxing fight clips, my second post down, has the Tyson use of the Uppercut

shirotoratiger.proboards.com/thread/1650/favourite-boxing-matches-fighters-kos


when you are hitting the pads in Boxing Set One, Number 6, this is the ultimate effect that punch has in a real fight


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We discussed the use of the Headbutt in the Koppo last night, a KOTO Ryu gata

This is the football Zidane clip thread

shirotoratiger.proboards.com/thread/1618/zidane-headbutt


My notes:

The relevance here is the use of the technique - when using Zu Tsuki or Ken Kudaki in this way, to the chest the opponent goes down as if he had been hit with Irimi Nage

KOTO Ryu has some techniques which use this "chest head butt" - some people question it's authenticity - so this is a great example

It works great when the opponent is too tall for a face headbutt

Personally I had this done to me in Japan by Manaka Shihan, so can tell you first hand that it works, and it hurts - that is why I still teach it


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Forum posts with some great pictures that refer to our Outdoor training tradition


Komorebi

whitetigermartialarts.blogspot.com/2023/08/komorebi.html


Moonlit path

whitetigermartialarts.blogspot.com/2023/08/moonlit-path.html


Sunset Warriors

whitetigermartialarts.blogspot.com/2023/08/sunset-warriors.html




From Spring post:

Trained in the Circle as the sun went down, some cloud cover above meant the usual sunset over the trees

Moved to big field under a huge full moon, minimal clouds, and moonlight right across the grass

Sunset Warriors

Moonlight Shadow Warriors

This was the best start to the Summer Season, and sets the precedent for the weeks to come, if it's a moonlit night move to the big field for the second half once the sun has gone down

Walk back on the moonlit path - GETSUMI NO MICHI


Joker got some great pics which he posted to the Group, the sunset, the moon, and a pic of Venus


ONSHINJUTSU Concepts covered, and Togakure NINJA movement, based on the Sword Gata


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The original post on Silat sweeps from back in 2011

shirotoratiger.proboards.com/thread/639/silat-sweeps

quite brief, as a lot of those early posts were, as there





Moonlit Path

 








Sunset Warriors

 













STMA Summer Camp 2023

 

As mentioned, because we haven't been doing regular Grass over the Season, any of these Summer Grass sessions become a bit special

This being the case, we can look at these as part of the Camp, considering we get to work Koryo, including long Weapons, that we don't do often, if at all at Class


The first of these was Monday May 1st - see notes in thread below:

shirotoratiger.proboards.com/thread/1903/mon-1-class-thu-grass


Trained in the Circle as the sun went down, some cloud cover above meant the usual sunset over the trees

Moved to big field under a huge full moon, minimal clouds, and moonlight right across the grass

Sunset Warriors

Moonlight Shadow Warriors

This was the best start to the Summer Season, and sets the precedent for the weeks to come, if it's a moonlit night move to the big field for the second half once the sun has gone down

Walk back on the moonlit path - GETSUMI NO MICHI


Joker got some great pics which he posted to the Group, the sunset, the moon, and a pic of Venus


ONSHINJUTSU Concepts covered, and Togakure NINJA movement, based on the Sword Gata



CAMP spread over 4 nights:


Monday May 1st

Thursday July 6th

Monday July 31st no CLASS so Thu Aug 3rd being one we have scheduled in place of Class 

Monday August 28th  will be GRASS not CLASS



Komorebi

 

Komorebi

Komorebi 木漏れ日 (pronounced kō-mō-leh-bē)








Literally, “sunlight leaking through trees,” this word describes the beauty and wonder of rays of light dappling through overhead leaves, casting dancing shadows on the forest floor


On Grass evenings, especially late in the Summer, when we are on the Circle, we see the red sunset over the trees, as twilight sets in

On nights when we then go to the big field, we have a sky of clouds, stars and the moon - on some nights we have had a cloudless sky and a big full moon lighting the field


Joker has taken and shared photos on these nights, and we have made commentary on the posts about Sunset Warriors and Iga moonlit nights


When we have used the "Canopy", usually on a rainy day, and often on a rainy night, it would by nature be cloudy and dull


However when we go under the canopy when there is sun outside, we get the chance to experience Komorebi


When I was in Japan, we did a lot of outdoor training, both in fields and in the forest


Shinden Fudo Ryu is particular good for this

the battlefield conditions of Kukishinden 

and of course Togakure, not only Taijutsu and Biken, but the Onshinjutsu


Experiencing Komorebi in the Japanese forest is a powerful experience, the same as watching the sunset on the mountians


I have talked before about I have been fortunate to train and see the sunrise in the Japanese mountain facing East over the Pacific, and to train and see the sunset on the California beach, facing West over the Pacific


When we spend time under the Canopy when it is sunny, depending both on the time of day and the time of year, we can experience Komorebi


We will take the time to do a couple of Gata under the Canopy in Komorebi when the chance presents