Saturday, 26 August 2023

Princess Bride Sword fight

 

“Hello, my name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die.”

(the line is actually used later in the film, not during this scene)


In the scene, while dueling to the death, at the same time showing overwhelming sportsmanship, Inigo Montoya and the Man-In-Black (Westley) casually (and humorously) discuss complex fencing tactics



Inigo Montoya: You are using Bonetti’s Defense against me, ah?

Man in Black: I thought it fitting considering the rocky terrain.

Inigo: Naturally, you must suspect me to attack with Capa Ferro?

Man in Black: Naturally, but I find that Thibault cancels out Capa Ferro. Don’t you?

Inigo: Unless the enemy has studied his Agrippa… which I have.




The quotation begins with Inigo, pushing Wesley (The Man in Black) back in retreat with his consistent attacks

“Bonetti’s Defense” refers to the Italian swordmaster Rocco Bonetti, who established a “School of Arms” in London in 1576

By cautiously stepping back and relying on defense, it helps to ensure that he doesn’t make a fatal blunder by attacking from an uneven, unpredictable surface ie. “rocky terrain”



Inigo’s second question to Wesley is, “…You must suspect me to attack with Capa Ferro?”

In this instance, “Capa (Capo) Ferro” is a term given to the powerful attack known as “The Lunge,” after Italian swordmaster, Ridolfo Capo Ferro, who taught a linear style of fencing



Wesley’s retort was of, “…but I find that Thibault cancels out Capa Ferro. Don’t you?”

This refers to Gérard (Girard) Thibault d’Anvers (1574-1627), a Dutch fencing master and author of the rapier manual, Academie de l’Espée (1630)

Thibault utilized both logic and geometry to aid in his swordfighting defense

Therefore, Wesley felt that his Thibault studies in using such tactics as, for example, “higher ground” and angulation on attack, gave him added measure when defending against linear thrusts such as “The Lunge.”



To this, Inigo concludes, “Unless the enemy has studied his Agrippa…”

– a term named after Italian short sword master, Camillo Agrippa who wrote, Treatise on the Science of Arms with Philosophical Dialogue (1553)

Historically, Agrippa simplified fencing techniques, i.e. Shortened Marozzo’s eleven guards, to a “fundamental four”, emphasizing defensive tactics, and logic above techniques that he deemed over-stylized

since he was a master of the short sword, he would be quite knowledgeable in “closing distance” - because in closer proximity, the short sword rules



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Though we have talked about this in Class over the years, everyone has seen the film, and everyone knows the clip, we never had a whole thread for this


Posts from 2013 - ten years ago:


in April

shirotoratiger.proboards.com/thread/1064/april-24


end of December

shirotoratiger.proboards.com/thread/1162/dec-18


Thread for Spanish Sword

shirotoratiger.proboards.com/thread/1086


Thread for European Sword

shirotoratiger.proboards.com/thread/1067/european-sword



There is some obvious repetition, though this was the year we did the most discussion and reference



the Princess Bride sword fight clip

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8-66KBi_NM0


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Though it sounds technical to the layman it is like a pair of kickboxers having this conversation:


Inigo Montoya: You are using Kenpo Blocking against me, ah?

Man in Black: I thought it fitting considering the rocky terrain.

Inigo: Naturally, you must suspect me to attack with Muay Thai?

Man in Black: Naturally, but I find that Savate cancels out Muay Thai. Don’t you?

Inigo: Unless the enemy has studied his Karate… which I have.


makes the same amount of sense


Keeping in mind, the point of sword fencing is to hit your opponent - the point of movie fencing is to hit your "opponent" sword - it isn't a real sword fight